Fearliss

Lately I have been playing some dropless games. I have been doing good when forced on the defense side. But for most opp games and center games people just sit back and wait for me to go attack. Is it my set or the way I attack in which when I do attack I fail miserably. I usually attack with 2 knights an assasin and my scout. I usually get blocked off and lw'd to death.

Help?

I usually do end up killing a witch and a cleric and sometimes the rare mud. But then I only have a witch a knight and chanty to deal with 3 knights and a scout.

I have been using Girshwin's and Fallens off-centered turts.

And then with all the scout and witch blocks I have had against me, it doesn't make it any better....

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Bogart

Uhm. Xia wrote really decent threads about gaming tactics excerted from Sun Tzu's (Sūn Wŭ or Ssun-ds´) The Art of War. I think the second part she wrote about deception, baiting and other related stuff would help you in your case. I have personally experienced, that baiting is a marvelous tactics for dropless players, as the opponent tends to underestimate your skills. Too busy atm to find her thread, but you will sure find it!

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Cinder

What you have to do is think about the situation you are in. Just use bait.

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Fearliss

Ya I read Xia's Deception little guide and I think it helped me a bit. I got the hang of when and how to go on the offense. I feel IMO that center wardless sets for dropless help to give you more of an advantage in any game because you can go offense or stay defense. And the set manuevers around you

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Bogart

Yeah center wardless has great potential and LOTS of attacking units, also with good block rate. In the hands of a cunning master, its hard to beat, even with lotsa drops. Fearliss I'd like to play you dropless or default by time. I havent played for 2 months at least by now, but I think it would be fun to throw such a game in

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xEaglex

You shouldn't be going after the witch and cleric then. Every game is different. Go after whatever units are the least protected and that INCLUDES knights.

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Fearliss

Ya thanks for the tip. Everythings helped out so far when it comes to flanking.

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lemon

You're doing something very wrong. Defending in a dropless game with a center ? And doing good?

Center sets are all about attack, you simply can't defend succesfully in a grey game in general, and especially so when using a center. So yeah, stop defending, and focus more on offense. If other player just turtles, you've basically already won the game. If you can't break in immediately, just improve your positioning gradually, try to induce weaknesses. They can't do anything at all after they commit themselves to complete defense because counterattacking at that point would create serious gaps in their camp. Sooner or later there will be an opportunity to kill something.

I dont know how many games i've won like that. Its the most pleasant type of game imaginable, you simply can do whatever you want with your opponent. The only hope for them is you overextending. I honestly dont see why would someone commit themselves to such a torture .

And here's one game from GS4, where my opponent decided to defend. He usually gives me quite good games, but this time it was just a cakewalk.

Skev21 vs lemon on Vimeo

Hope it helps somewhat.

Fearliss

THanks Lemon, that helped alot. I see what you mean now.

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