Inter-Forum Relations

[uniquin]

Due to recent events, I got a little idea for both Legends and FPS (I know, I said the F word, bear with me please).

Background: Now I'm aware that many users of each forum dislike the other. Legends thinks FPS is noobs, FPS thinks Legends doesn't exist, etc etc. I'd like to move past that - put it all aside, to create a bit of policy that could potentially help both servers if the staff of each agree to play nice with one another (a perfectly reasonable request seeing as there is quite a bit of maturity in those groups).

The problem: a noob from one server decides to go to the other server and spam the crap out of it, believing that they have full immunity at their "home base" and thus no ill action will befall them at the place they truly care about. The end result of this is that each forum in turn only really sees the poor actions/attitudes of a few select noobs from the other. This then leads many people to believe that the other server is very noobish in nature (when in reality it's just due to a few sour grapes).

The solution: Staff members from either forum openly communicate to their corresponding counterparts on the opposite forum in order to deal with these actions *everywhere*. For example, if an FPS noob comes here and spams, they get banned here immediately. However, any Legends mod at that time can talk with an FPS forum mod and get that user banned at FPS as well.

The end result: Removal of safe-havens for naughties, establishing a no-tolerance policy across both forums, promotion of inter-forum relations, and discouraging inapropriate actions at opposite forums.

[.Darkness.]

Pretty good idea, i like it

[oxymoron]

Sounds like a good idea in theory, but I'm not too sure about it. If a decent Legends forumer makes the incredibly stupid/poor decision to spam up FPS, understandably they should be banned on FPS. However since FPS and Legends are separate entities what happens at FPS doesn't really have any bearing on what happens at Legends. I don't think they should be banned here. Punishment for Legenders should only be reserved for people who openly insult FPS on these forums not FPS'.
I agree that there should be more communication between FPS and Legends so some of the animosity and hate can be put aside but I don't think this is the way to do it.

[aggression]

well it certainly does solve the less "only come here for spamming" bit, seems just like extra work for the mods tho, i dont see why not

[uniquin]

Originally Posted by oxymoron

Sounds like a good idea in theory, but I'm not too sure about it. If a decent Legends forumer makes the incredibly stupid/poor decision to spam up FPS, understandably they should be banned on FPS. However since FPS and Legends are separate entities what happens at FPS doesn't really have any bearing on what happens at Legends. I don't think they should be banned here. Punishment for Legenders should only be reserved for people who openly insult FPS on these forums not FPS'.
I agree that there should be more communication between FPS and Legends so some of the animosity and hate can be put aside but I don't think this is the way to do it.

So you feel if someone comes over here, and let's say for argument's sake, really hurts a bunch of users here with some pretty spiteful words... You think they should be banned here and that's it? That was their plan. No actual harm came to them. Furthermore, nothing's stopping them from just hopping on another account/IP and repeating the process. How do you curb that type of action? I believe you gotta hit something the person actually cares about by showing a unified no-tolerance policy.

Originally Posted by aggression

well it certainly does solve the less "only come here for spamming" bit, seems just like extra work for the mods tho, i dont see why not

that's... that's what the mods are here to do... work...

[IROK]

I agree with uniquin, as I've seen first hand FPSers coming here to spam and Legenders going there to spam. I try to be a good poster on the FPS forums (and I am pretty sure I'm doing a good job of it) and the staff of both servers need to have more communication. Nice job uniq.

[uniquin]

Ya know I used to have a lot more contact with Prophet when he first became a game mod. Heck I trained him and gave over my modbar. He in return offered a few small services to me here. While that sounds braggish, the point is to show that we both gained valuable services by two mods talking just a few times. I believe we can continue that, and I'd like to see it happen.

[oxymoron]

Originally Posted by uniquin

So you feel if someone comes over here, and let's say for argument's sake, really hurts a bunch of users here with some pretty spiteful words... You think they should be banned here and that's it? That was their plan. No actual harm came to them. Furthermore, nothing's stopping them from just hopping on another account/IP and repeating the process. How do you curb that type of action? I believe you gotta hit something the person actually cares about.

that's... that's what the mods are here to do... work...

I have conflicting views on your idea it would seem :P. On one level it makes sense to me, but another part of me doesn't really see the justice in it. I just don't see the fairness in banning someone over something that occurred elsewhere. To me it would be like being convicted and sentenced in your home country for a criminal act you have committed in a foreign country. Or something to that effect. There should be communication between "countries" but the ultimate punishment should be where you committed the offense.

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by uniquin

First post.

I agree that the views we have of each other are incorrect, when I went there during my 7-day ban there I was treated fairly. Many of the anti-legends people were gone from the past, but there could be new feelings popping up. The whole thing is as ridiculous as racism and in fact it's the same premise.

Originally Posted by oxymoron

Sounds like a good idea in theory, but I'm not too sure about it. If a decent Legends forumer makes the incredibly stupid/poor decision to spam up FPS, understandably they should be banned on FPS. However since FPS and Legends are separate entities what happens at FPS doesn't really have any bearing on what happens at Legends. I don't think they should be banned here. Punishment for Legenders should only be reserved for people who openly insult FPS on these forums not FPS'.
I agree that there should be more communication between FPS and Legends so some of the animosity and hate can be put aside but I don't think this is the way to do it.

I agree that bans on each server should be stand-alone, but at the same time we should not warmly welcome someone back after such an incident. Especially if they make a thread about what they did looking for kudos.

Originally Posted by uniquin

So you feel if someone comes over here, and let's say for argument's sake, really hurts a bunch of users here with some pretty spiteful words... You think they should be banned here and that's it? That was their plan. No actual harm came to them. Furthermore, nothing's stopping them from just hopping on another account/IP and repeating the process. How do you curb that type of action? I believe you gotta hit something the person actually cares about by showing a unified no-tolerance policy.

that's... that's what the mods are here to do... work...

Posts can be deleted and the accounts banned, look at Olivercan for instance, it's not that much of a hassle to just keep banning him when he makes his sporadic appearances. It isn't that big of a deal to keep banning someone. And if people are actually hurt by comments here they need to get a better grip on life.

Originally Posted by uniquin

Ya know I used to have a lot more contact with Prophet when he first became a game mod. Heck I trained him and gave over my modbar. He in return offered a few small services to me here. While that sounds braggish, the point is to show that we both gained valuable services by two mods talking just a few times. I believe we can continue that, and I'd like to see it happen.

This is the kind of relationship that we need between the servers, although Prophet is originally from FPS.

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Originally Posted by Oxymoron

I have conflicting views on your idea it would seem :P. On one level it makes sense to me, but another part of me doesn't really see the justice in it. I just don't see the fairness in banning someone over something that occurred elsewhere. To me it would be like being convicted and sentenced in your home country for a criminal act you have committed in a foreign country. Or something to that effect. There should be communication between "countries" but the ultimate punishment should be where you committed the offense.

While we are making analogies I have this to say: all of tao is like one country and FPS and Legends are more like states.

[oxymoron]

Originally Posted by Gypsy

I agree that bans on each server should be stand-alone, but at the same time we should not warmly welcome someone back after such an incident. Especially if they make a thread about what they did looking for kudos.

That's my opinion on the situation that I tried to convey in the post I made before yours. I just couldn't get my point across all that coherently unfortunately is all.