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05-04-2008, 07:44 PM
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#7601 (permalink)
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New Orleans is up 1 - 0 in series against spurs!
Whoooopie =D
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05-04-2008, 07:57 PM
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FALCON PAAAUNCH
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I don't dislike Gilbert Arenas, and Arenas is obviously overrated if people consider him one of the best players yet his team is better without him.
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Wait, wait wait, you mean, like...LEBRON???
With LeBron on the floor the Cavs were -46, with LeBron off the floor they were +48, towards the end of the season.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
Cleveland Cavaliers general manager was the one who demanded that Chicago Bulls accept Larry Hughes as well, not LeBron James.
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No, LeBron was demanding a trade, he didn't want Larry Hughes there.
Like I said, he did EXACTLY what Kobe did.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
That's ridiculous; LeBron James runs the point very well and does give players opportunities. In the all-star game this year in the clutch, James was running the plays as he would in a regular game, yet it was Ray Allen who hit 3 consecutive 3-pointers and LeBron James who tallied 9 assists.
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No it's not.
He gives spot up shooters shots, yet, that's it. Allstar players can't do anything but be spot up shooters, and that's not Larry Hughes' style, it made him less effective than he should have been.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
LeBron James never has publicly criticized his organization or asked to be traded, and there is no evidence of him ever criticizing one of his teammates either.
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He HAS criticized the Cavs for not getting trades, do NOT argue this, it is a FACT.
That's one of the top reasons the Cavs were pushing for that big trade earlier.
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Larry Hughes isn't an all-star caliber player.
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Yes he is.
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Kobe Bryant's statistics are lower because he hasn't played as well.
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WRONG.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
His team is better because of the additions of Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. Kobe Bryant' assists have hardly increased with the additions.
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Yep, it's also better because Kobe is being a teamate.
They said this before, and I'll say it again, "this is Kobe's best season as a TEAMATE".
Also, Kobe is getting over two less minutes per game.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
Bron does not control every possession; his team has 2 decent point guards.
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Again, WRONG, Bron controls nearly every possession. End of story.
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New Orleans Hornets also have a top 5 center, and a much better, flowing offense.
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And the Spurs have a far better defense.
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Point guards are more valuable than players at other positions if they contribute in scoring and defense like players at other positions as well, like Chris Paul.
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Yeah, and SGs are just as valuable when they play Defense, pass, be teamates, and score, well, like Kobe Bryant.
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Examples of occasional plays don't prove much, and they show up on the statistic sheets just like every single other aspect of the game.
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How are you not getting this?
It is, just like you said, an example, of plays that happen OFTEN.
Kobe draws double teams all the time, allowing for other players to score. LeBron does about the same thing.
That doesn't show up on stats.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
New Orleans Hornets are improving quicker than any other team.
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That's what happens when you have youth, and add players like Stojakovic, but the Trailblazers will be the best team within 2-3 years.
Kevin Garnett is a good offensive player but he has not near the offensive mentality or production he had as a Minnesota Timberwolf.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
Team record is a statistic, and nearly all contribution you watch is recorded in statistics.
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It's not a statistic, it's a RECORD, like you said. Two completely different things.
Team record shows who's generally the better team.
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Originally Posted by DIGID
A player leading a team to 57 wins is not going to be more valuable than a player leading a team to 44 wins if the first player's team had 55 wins the previous season while a very improved second player's team had only 15 wins the previous season.
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That doesn't mean anything, all the improvement would mean is you got the players you got improved, or you picked up better players.
Record means success, and quite simply, a player on a team with a better record, is going to be more of an MVP.
That's why Nash got his two MVPs(albeit he is extremely overated), and Nowitzki got his MVP. Other players had better stats, but their team record helped them get the MVP.
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God you're so biased for the Cavs. It makes me laugh.
I'll say what Charles barkley said to Chris "God I'm glad I don't think like you"
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WOW. Flagrant foul! Level 2! Marvin WILLIAMS IS OUTTA HERE!!!!!
What a bad play. He is such an idiot.
Am I the only one watching the game?
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He was trying to prevent him from making a layup by wraping him up, I don't think he intentionally slammed him to the ground, he just had too much momentum.
It was stupid, but what he was trying to do was smart.
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05-04-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zz99
Wait, wait wait, you mean, like...LEBRON???
With LeBron on the floor the Cavs were -46, with LeBron off the floor they were +48, towards the end of the season.
No, LeBron was demanding a trade, he didn't want Larry Hughes there.
Like I said, he did EXACTLY what Kobe did.
No it's not.
He gives spot up shooters shots, yet, that's it. Allstar players can't do anything but be spot up shooters, and that's not Larry Hughes' style, it made him less effective than he should have been.
He HAS criticized the Cavs for not getting trades, do NOT argue this, it is a FACT.
That's one of the top reasons the Cavs were pushing for that big trade earlier.
Yes he is.
WRONG.
Yep, it's also better because Kobe is being a teamate.
They said this before, and I'll say it again, "this is Kobe's best season as a TEAMATE".
Also, Kobe is getting over two less minutes per game.
Again, WRONG, Bron controls nearly every possession. End of story.
And the Spurs have a far better defense.
Yeah, and SGs are just as valuable when they play Defense, pass, be teamates, and score, well, like Kobe Bryant.
How are you not getting this?
It is, just like you said, an example, of plays that happen OFTEN.
Kobe draws double teams all the time, allowing for other players to score. LeBron does about the same thing.
That doesn't show up on stats.
That's what happens when you have youth, and add players like Stojakovic, but the Trailblazers will be the best team within 2-3 years.
Kevin Garnett is a good offensive player but he has not near the offensive mentality or production he had as a Minnesota Timberwolf.
It's not a statistic, it's a RECORD, like you said. Two completely different things.
Team record shows who's generally the better team.
That doesn't mean anything, all the improvement would mean is you got the players you got improved, or you picked up better players.
Record means success, and quite simply, a player on a team with a better record, is going to be more of an MVP.
That's why Nash got his two MVPs(albeit he is extremely overated), and Nowitzki got his MVP. Other players had better stats, but their team record helped them get the MVP.
God you're so biased for the Cavs. It makes me laugh.
I'll say what Charles barkley said to Chris "God I'm glad I don't think like you"
He was trying to prevent him from making a layup by wraping him up, I don't think he intentionally slammed him to the ground, he just had too much momentum.
It was stupid, but what he was trying to do was smart.
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05-04-2008, 08:04 PM
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LoL.
Words can't explain the beatdown the Hawks are getting. Getting testy too, first that closeline then KG OWNZING that Hawks noob.
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05-04-2008, 08:05 PM
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Haha. Totally saw that. This isnt even a contest! KG owned him. He just stood there. The refs called a foul on him cause they felt bad for the other guy!  |
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05-04-2008, 08:07 PM
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Haha. Totally saw that. This isnt even a contest! KG owned him. He just stood there. The refs called a foul on him cause they felt bad for the other guy! |
It was a foul, KG definitely leaned in. An awesome clean foul though, unlike the closeline. You had to figure KG would get revenge on that guy for earlier in the series. |
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05-04-2008, 08:09 PM
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I didnt see the foul happen, but I heard the "OHHH!" the crowd said and looked up at the TV. Lol. Ok, Im done watching this one. We all know who wins! Lol. a 34! HOW PATHETIC! Hawks only have 49 point going into the 4th!!! WOOOOOOOW.
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05-04-2008, 09:16 PM
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The foul was just uncalled for, either way the Hawks were getting destroyed, so even if he did get ejected or not, the Hawks wouldn't win.
As for now, the Lakers vs Jazz game is pretty close. Boozer got a couple of and1's that are really putting the Lakers in foul trouble, and also, Kobe hit a sweet 360 under the rim bucket.
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05-04-2008, 10:24 PM
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Tim Duncan for 3!
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They should have after last season. Or after the preseason when he did the most lame push I've ever seen on Brad Miller to get himself suspended after he thought Brad Miller hurt Devin Harris, but Harris really flopped. The whole incident was pretty funny.
People think Josh Howard is an all-star, but he has a horrible work ethic and makes bad decisions on the court, and they should have tried to get some good players out of him long ago. They really need another big man and another scorer.
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Originally Posted by zz99
Wait, wait wait, you mean, like...LEBRON???
With LeBron on the floor the Cavs were -46, with LeBron off the floor they were +48, towards the end of the season.
No, LeBron was demanding a trade, he didn't want Larry Hughes there.
Like I said, he did EXACTLY what Kobe did.
No it's not.
He gives spot up shooters shots, yet, that's it. Allstar players can't do anything but be spot up shooters, and that's not Larry Hughes' style, it made him less effective than he should have been.
He HAS criticized the Cavs for not getting trades, do NOT argue this, it is a FACT.
That's one of the top reasons the Cavs were pushing for that big trade earlier.
Yes he is.
WRONG.
Yep, it's also better because Kobe is being a teamate.
They said this before, and I'll say it again, "this is Kobe's best season as a TEAMATE".
Also, Kobe is getting over two less minutes per game.
Again, WRONG, Bron controls nearly every possession. End of story.
And the Spurs have a far better defense.
Yeah, and SGs are just as valuable when they play Defense, pass, be teamates, and score, well, like Kobe Bryant.
How are you not getting this?
It is, just like you said, an example, of plays that happen OFTEN.
Kobe draws double teams all the time, allowing for other players to score. LeBron does about the same thing.
That doesn't show up on stats.
That's what happens when you have youth, and add players like Stojakovic, but the Trailblazers will be the best team within 2-3 years.
Kevin Garnett is a good offensive player but he has not near the offensive mentality or production he had as a Minnesota Timberwolf.
It's not a statistic, it's a RECORD, like you said. Two completely different things.
Team record shows who's generally the better team.
That doesn't mean anything, all the improvement would mean is you got the players you got improved, or you picked up better players.
Record means success, and quite simply, a player on a team with a better record, is going to be more of an MVP.
That's why Nash got his two MVPs(albeit he is extremely overated), and Nowitzki got his MVP. Other players had better stats, but their team record helped them get the MVP.
God you're so biased for the Cavs. It makes me laugh.
I'll say what Charles barkley said to Chris "God I'm glad I don't think like you"
He was trying to prevent him from making a layup by wraping him up, I don't think he intentionally slammed him to the ground, he just had too much momentum.
It was stupid, but what he was trying to do was smart.
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A couple games at the end of the season where LeBron James' value was bad do not define his season.
Quote James demanding that Larry Hughes be traded. I'd laugh and agree anyways; there is a huge difference between Larry Hughes and Andrew Bynum. unproven vs proven bad
It was very different from Kobe Bryant's actions of criticizing Andrew Bynum and the front office, and demanding a pivotal trade. If what you say is true, James simply attempted to remove an obviously bad player from his team, while Bryant was upset at the front office for not removing an unproven player and because of that, decided to DEMAND HIS TRADE. James never demanded he be traded.
And now, all the Cavaliers beside James are spot-up shooters and big men, except for Sasha Pavlovic. They should get rid of him too.
How can it be his best season as a teammate if he's requesting trades and strongly criticizing teammates?
Shooting guards are just as valuable if they run every possession...which they usually don't. You're wrong, Delonte West and Daniel Gibson control the ball 50% of the time in regular game situations.
Nash didn't deserve two MVPs, kobe deserved one of them, but he didn't deserve this one.....you're relying on faulty mvp decisions...
New Orleans Hornets or Boston Celtics will probably win the championship, although Los Angeles Lakers have a decent chance. San Antonio Spurs or Detroit Pistons winning is possible too, and if Cleveland Cavaliers face Lakers, they could get their first.
LeBron James will destroy Celtics if they play like they did against the Hawks, but if they play like they did in Game 7, they'll definitely win. I'm not sure at all on that series. |
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