Who wins, Dragon or GA?

Alus · 12-23-2007, 11:50 PM

The answer is neither, I find it that a small unnoticed flaw has passed right under Seed's inactive nose. Although rare in occasion its still something that needs to be fixed.

So the problem is mainly concerned with gold members. and that is: that if your stuck with you having a Golem Ambusher and your opponent a Dragon Tyrant (vise versa) nether party wins the game, turning in to an imminent draw. This is due to both unit's 3 turn recovery and TAO's draw feature.

Go ahead grab a buddy and try it.

within a dragon's 3 turn waiting period, the (cowardly yet smart) opponent skips 3 turns, turning in to a forced draw.

You can solve this by making it a 4 turn skip (for the draw feature) or completely avoiding this situation, yet you don't want to risk it.

vietnamese_boy · 12-23-2007, 11:55 PM

this is true
never thought of that

| Red Devil | · 12-23-2007, 11:56 PM

Its been known for at least a year - its somewhere in on topic, suggestions, or this section.

Its annoying, but with seed mia, there's not much that could be done besides plan around it

Xiahou Dun · 12-24-2007, 12:01 AM

Dragon was designed to be unable to win on it's own otherwise it would be too powerful.

GA was designed to be useless against anything right in it's face.

It's not an unnoticed flaw. It's a specifically engineered weakness to two great units.

And you are nowehere near the first to whine about it I'm afraid.

Override · 12-24-2007, 12:02 AM

The same could be done with a Dragon vs. any 3-recovery unit, as long it has enough HP to stand one dragon blast.

Even a Pyro.

Uber.

Alus · 12-24-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiahou Dun

Dragon was designed to be unable to win on it's own otherwise it would be too powerful.

GA was designed to be useless against anything right in it's face.

It's not an unnoticed flaw. It's a specifically engineered weakness to two great units.

And you are nowehere near the first to whine about it I'm afraid.

whine?... I'm merely bringing the problem back in to context.

As we all know you give up two units in order to use the Dragon, i say YES it should be able to win on its own, its a moving powerhouse and i see it unfit that a more powerful unit draws by default due to a technicality; over what you said to be a "useless" unit.

Xiahou Dun · 12-24-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Override

The same could be done with a Dragon vs. any 3-recovery unit, as long it has enough HP to stand one dragon blast.

Even a Pyro.

Uber.

Although the GA is unable to hit the Dragon at all. The others would result in a draw if they attempt to hit the Dragon.

PhillySoul29 · 12-24-2007, 12:14 AM

I didn't think so since you can move once then attack then move one then attack, but it seems to be true...

Xiahou Dun · 12-24-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillySoul29

I didn't think so since you can move once then attack then move one then attack, but it seems to be true...

Yes you can. But only if the GA player stands still and LETS you do this. Giving away a guaranteeed draw for a loss...

Alus · 12-24-2007, 12:30 AM

draw no matter what you do..

If the dragon moves and attacks it automatically goes to a 3 turn recovery. If the GA is still alive all you have to do is skip your turn therefore forcing a draw.

12-23-2007, 11:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alus Veteran and Honored Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 124	Who wins, Dragon or GA? The answer is neither, I find it that a small unnoticed flaw has passed right under Seed's inactive nose. Although rare in occasion its still something that needs to be fixed. So the problem is mainly concerned with gold members. and that is: that if your stuck with you having a Golem Ambusher and your opponent a Dragon Tyrant (vise versa) nether party wins the game, turning in to an imminent draw. This is due to both unit's 3 turn recovery and TAO's draw feature. Go ahead grab a buddy and try it. within a dragon's 3 turn waiting period, the (cowardly yet smart) opponent skips 3 turns, turning in to a forced draw. You can solve this by making it a 4 turn skip (for the draw feature) or completely avoiding this situation, yet you don't want to risk it. __________________ ----------"War is a matter of spirit not strength."---------------- *~TAO Wolf Clan ~* Dan7 Ultra Sig, Thanks! Last edited by Alus; 12-24-2007 at 12:31 AM.

12-23-2007, 11:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
\| Red Devil \| The Red Grey Iron Hero Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Look Behind You... Posts: 10,365	Its been known for at least a year - its somewhere in on topic, suggestions, or this section. Its annoying, but with seed mia, there's not much that could be done besides plan around it __________________ .. S3R0SIG

12-24-2007, 12:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
Xiahou Dun The voice of (t)reason Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: England Somerset Taunton Posts: 7,413	Dragon was designed to be unable to win on it's own otherwise it would be too powerful. GA was designed to be useless against anything right in it's face. It's not an unnoticed flaw. It's a specifically engineered weakness to two great units. And you are nowehere near the first to whine about it I'm afraid. __________________ Cold as ice cream, but still as sweet.

12-24-2007, 12:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
Override Clock Spider Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,937	The same could be done with a Dragon vs. any 3-recovery unit, as long it has enough HP to stand one dragon blast. Even a Pyro. Uber. __________________ Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.

12-24-2007, 12:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
PhillySoul29 A Proud Wolf ****** Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 176	I didn't think so since you can move once then attack then move one then attack, but it seems to be true... __________________

12-23-2007, 11:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
vietnamese_boy Death before Dishonor ~ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: somewhere with trees, sand, and water Posts: 1,710	this is true never thought of that

12-24-2007, 12:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Alus Veteran and Honored Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 124	draw no matter what you do.. If the dragon moves and attacks it automatically goes to a 3 turn recovery. If the GA is still alive all you have to do is skip your turn therefore forcing a draw. __________________ ----------"War is a matter of spirit not strength."---------------- *~TAO Wolf Clan ~* Dan7 Ultra Sig, Thanks!

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